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    Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    First, I want to point out that this isn't a QQ or a troll thread in any fashion. This is a sincere inquiry to the player base at large.

    Stealth classes: Is it ok to start a 1v1 in stealth? If so, can a spider start from their burrow? I know what you're going to say, a burrowed spider can't be attacked, but the burrow can be interupted, and I understand that no one wants to wait around in what becomes a Mexican standoff. But why should any class give up 3k+ health just because they are fighting a stealth class? I'm an ambush class, when I'm solo in the moors stalking solo freeps, 100% of my fights start with me popping from my burrow. I think in an organized 1v1 no classes should start in stealth, once the fights begun then sure, HiPs/Disappear/TDS, as long as you use it offensively and not do something cheap as in just stealthing/burrowing to regen.

    Reavers: Should a Reaver be allowed to start from Charge!? I know some who think its cheap, but IMO, when will they ever get a chance to use the skill after the fights begun? So I think its fine. No different than a Hunter/BA setting traps or a Hunter focusing up, IMO.

    Brands: In think starting a 1v1 with a brand is rather cheap, EXCEPT against an LM, the only class that has a skill that is in essence a permabrand.

    Healing: Is just spam healing cheap? This goes for Minis, RK's, WL's, and Defilers. I don't play any of those classes seriously, so I won't comment.

    I won't bore you with going through every class in the game, but just some food for thought on a boring Saturday afternoon in the moors.
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    I've got zero experience with 1v1s, and i'm sure there are other newish people who don't know this either
    Whats the etiquette on CD usage? I see a lot of hate when someone uses skills like pledge, never surrender, and touch and go, but your post implies other CD skills like hips, burrow, and disappear are fine. Are some CDs ok and others not, or is this just QQ by sore losers?


    Also, if you're asking about spam healing add determination wardens to that list, as I'm fairly confident one that is traited for it can out (self) heal a WL.
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Quote Originally Posted by spelunker View Post
    I've got zero experience with 1v1s, and i'm sure there are other newish people who don't know this either
    Whats the etiquette on CD usage? I see a lot of hate when someone uses skills like pledge, never surrender, and touch and go, but your post implies other CD skills like hips, burrow, and disappear are fine. Are some CDs ok and others not, or is this just QQ by sore losers?


    Also, if you're asking about spam healing add determination wardens to that list, as I'm fairly confident one that is traited for it can out (self) heal a WL.
    You bring up some good points. I can only speak for myself and I really don't like organized 1v1's, because IMO surprise is a huge part of PvP, but what I do is request a best of 3. Then if a Freep does use CD's, which they have far more than Creeps do, you get a rematch with CD's already spent.

    Shield traited Wardens are unbeatable. There was a video of 6+ Creeps on 1 Warden. Everyone said they must be very inexperienced Creeps. Then we did the same against Sellene and its was ridiculous how long it took a Black Blade group, 8 iirc, to bring him/her down. It was quite funny.
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    For once I have to agree with you Spidey on the etiquette on CM. I allow my opponents to do their pre-prep, i.e. eat regen food, start in stealth for warg, let reaver use charge, ba's put down their fire trap, whatever it is they want to do I wait until it seems they have run out of things to get ready for.

    As far as CDs go I won't use them unless I see my opponent begin to use CDs in organized 1v1s.

    In other cases, such as burg, TnG and KO are needed skills in organized 1v1s as without the skills the burg is still quite a squishy class and when faced up against an opponent like a reaver or ba they still die quiet quickly even with full audacity.
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    This thread just reminded me how terribly balanced this game is
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiel_87 View Post
    This thread just reminded me how terribly balanced this game is
    Seriously, I'm down to like 3 classes I have a chance against with my limited skill .
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    1. Should stealth classes use stealth?

    Yes. As I told you before, Spidey, I'm not going to wait 20 minutes to attack you when your burrow is up. Instead, I'll start out of stealth and trait gambler, as I would against a warg who uses his aoe howl to pop me from stealth, or insists on tracking me because "it's one of my skills." I don't do organized 1v1s very often, mostly because each person has an idea on what is fair. Are fire traps fair when you're a kiting rank 11-something BA against a melee class? Is HIPS fair as long as your opponent doesn't drop combat?

    2. Should you use CDs in a 1v1 (like pledge, evade (burg and ba).

    Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. When it's against any number of wargs, I might use knives out for style points, but touch and go isn't really needed except against your exceptional foe (all of which I can count on one hand). Against a BA, I'll hit it if he hits his. Against a reaver... lol.

    3. Is spam-healing on my defiler okay?

    That's the only way I can stay alive against a warden, rk, mini, guard, champ, burg. The DPS output is so terrible on defiler it's laughable. The only way to win against many classes is to drain their power first. As for wardens...give me Sellene and I'll give you a dead warden. I fought him on many occasions, sometimes for 20 minutes or more, and he *always* used never surrender when I finally got to the point of killing him, and when I got close to killing him again, he called off the fight.
    As for spam healing against minstrels - they're going to heal themselves in war-speech, so I'm going to heal myself in defiler-speech...oh... wait....

    All in all, I forgo arranged 1v1s most of the time, because for my burglar, the element of surprise when you're running back to the zergball (and I'm far enough away not to be tracked 8 times in a row) is quite magnificent, and for my defiler, well, no one really wants to fight me.
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    Toq what'd you give to Spidey?

    He's talking all crazy right now.....about things like etiquette, and 1v1s....


    Your scaring me Spidey.....next thing you know you'll be recycling, raking your neighbors leaves, and buying organic vegtables.
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurtdg21 View Post
    .....next thing you know you'll be recycling, raking your neighbors leaves, and buying organic vegtables.
    I do 1 and 3, but I don't rake my own leaves let alone my neighbors, thats what a mulching lawn mower is for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladgilrian View Post
    I do 1 and 3, but I don't rake my own leaves let alone my neighbors, thats what a mulching lawn mower is for.

    It's already started
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    I don't usually have too many people 1v1 me anymore, but my personal opinion, I don't care if wargs start in stealth, reavers charger at the beginning or whatever. I understand that those are skills that those classes are given, so I have no problem with them using them. I also understand that even using those skills, my class is still overpowered so I'm totally willing to try to make things more fair there if possible. I honestly don't even care if they brand/food/buff or whatever as long as its not from other players or such joining in.

    I personally don't use brands in 1v1 myself, and dont usually stop attacking to spam heal. I'll use my hots though (since 1 removes my debuffs that I have to have to have a chance vs real good defilers, and 2 come from offensive attack spells).

    I guess I take the approach that I like to try to have things fair if possible (or as fair as I can with class imbalances). Thats why I don't even attack random creeps roaming around pve or whatever anymore unless they decide to attack me first.

    I think my favorite fighting though is when it is like 3v2 or 2v1 or 5v3 or such, is usually a blast. Its unfortunate these days though that it seems to be either 20v1 one way or another lately.
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    I agree with turlho you have skill so use it they are not there for no reason
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    20v1 sounds about right. But 20v5 does too. It will be fun with overpowering numbers until theres no freeps left... XD

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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Nice to see nothing's changed here...
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Quote Originally Posted by huntermaniac View Post
    Nice to see nothing's changed here...
    Yes, not really worth the post but whatever. We all get bored and look here for a laugh I guess.
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    In sense some pancake ninety-four of the half to the sixteenth before ate and is dog to the everything banana slice pickle cake.

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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Well, spiders are in a pretty dam good spot currently against melees. Even without that insanely OP 15% CP A good LM should still beat the spider due to perma lockdown of the pet, but they are rare these days. Rk's are wildcard depending on their crits and a mini who spam heals is l0l. Add in the 5 set bonus for SoS to cure 5 effects over 10 seconds it becomes even more of a joke.

    Burgs should have the choice to start in stealth since that is how majority of their fights will begin, but it isn't really needed if you play well.

    Spiders burrow doesn't really do much really since their crits are pathetic to begin with and the -10% on introductions is sort of meaningless. Start with EW or CW or apply the other during LP stun or SB fear.

    Reavers charge is fine, especially in their current state.

    Wargs who start in shadow should have the choice to start in stealth, wargs who start stanceless for the maul or pounce then go flayer should not.

    Determination wardens should delete, same with a mini healing. Defiler and Warleader healing are different due to the fact majority of freep classes have a way to restore their power not to mention have DPS. Although I think flies are a bit cheap. But warleader shouts hitting for 90-300 damage is lol.


    & btw Spidey, try traiting 3 phys mit/3 morale, 4 phys mit/2 morale, 3 phys, 2 morale, 1 crit. 2 morale obviously are HfD2 and HfP2. And hopefully for the love of god you are not using the ranged hatchling.

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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Quote Originally Posted by huntermaniac View Post
    Nice to see nothing's changed here...
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    Oh, and some fosterz drinking aussie.
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Quote Originally Posted by huntermaniac View Post
    Nice to see nothing's changed here...
    Nothings changed at all, people still ignore the 800 lb. gorilla in the room, so to speak.
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Quote Originally Posted by frosty132 View Post
    & btw Spidey, try traiting 3 phys mit/3 morale, 4 phys mit/2 morale, 3 phys, 2 morale, 1 crit. 2 morale obviously are HfD2 and HfP2. And hopefully for the love of god you are not using the ranged hatchling.
    I assume this is for fighting against a Burg. Fight never happened, Madame bailed when I burrowed. And Madame, you may want to log your spider, last I looked Lie in Wait is 15 minutes. Not that it would have went on that long, I would have popped as soon as I saw you in stealth. Frost is correct, the buff from popping from burrow isn't much, but I wasn't burrowing for what I would gain, but for what I would lose by handing Madame a LiE/SS opener.

    I still haven't read a valid answer to why ANY class should give up 3k+ morale just because they are fighting a stealth class in an organized 1v1, hence my 800 lb. gorilla remark above.

    ranged hatchling? ./vomit

    Thank you Frost, for your serious reply. Is your LM still on Nim?
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    Re: Organized 1v1 etiquette (CM)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladgilrian View Post
    I assume this is for fighting against a Burg. Fight never happened, Madame bailed when I burrowed. And Madame, you may want to log your spider, last I looked Lie in Wait is 15 minutes. Not that it would have went on that long, I would have popped as soon as I saw you in stealth. Frost is correct, the buff from popping from burrow isn't much, but I wasn't burrowing for what I would gain, but for what I would lose by handing Madame a LiE/SS opener.

    I still haven't read a valid answer to why ANY class should give up 3k+ morale just because they are fighting a stealth class in an organized 1v1, hence my 800 lb. gorilla remark above.

    ranged hatchling? ./vomit

    Thank you Frost, for your serious reply. Is your LM still on Nim?
    Nope, normal trait setup. Tactical mitigation is a joke since majority of tactical damage comes from crits/crit multipliers and the ratings are to high for crit prot to really matter.

    And most people rely on it. If anybody is easily winning using a rotation they should change it up to challenge themself. Or atleast should imo. And yeah, it's parked at 65 still. Might get around to leveling it but doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frosty132 View Post
    Nope, normal trait setup. Tactical mitigation is a joke since majority of tactical damage comes from crits/crit multipliers and the ratings are to high for crit prot to really matter.

    And most people rely on it. If anybody is easily winning using a rotation they should change it up to challenge themself. Or atleast should imo. And yeah, it's parked at 65 still. Might get around to leveling it but doubtful.

    && If anybody has a R7+ spider who no longer plays it, I will gladly take it off your hands
    Interesting....I doubt I've changed my traits since I went to ToR, I'll take a look at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladgilrian View Post
    Then we did the same against Sellene and its was ridiculous how long it took a Black Blade group, 8 iirc, to bring him/her down. It was quite funny.
    Weeee I am famous And yeah it was a blast ) I made u work for that infamy :P

    You cannot kill a shield traited 7 aud warden 1v1 that is just not happening.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Piccolopasso View Post
    give me Sellene and I'll give you a dead warden. I fought him on many occasions, sometimes for 20 minutes or more, and he *always* used never surrender when I finally got to the point of killing him, and when I got close to killing him again, he called off the fight.
    I am yet to lose shield traited. As per NS I used it offensively against your deffiler - i go all out DPS (as limiting as that might be) waiting for the extra heal to kick it hoping it will be enough to kill you - getting a few interrupts in.

    Warden (Determination) vs Defiler or WR is waste of time really. However, I am always up for some 1v1s so we can do that again - setting a time limit might be an option. We have DC now so ... good luck.

    Back to Spidey - I believe every class should use whatever is available to him. Including attacking from Stealth - LM putting tard before fight start ... After all a Warg will always attack u from stealth in the open field. Spider ambushing 1v1 ...

    I have never used store bough pots - ever some people do and it might be a game changer in close fights. Again it is a personal decision.

    I usually trait Spear (DPS) for the moors Shiled trated warden is an overkill. But there is no way to go if there are tons of creeps out and u solo.
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