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    Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    Welcome to the Warden Forum.
    Here in the Warden forum we enjoy civil chatting and frown upon trolls. If you come here with a legitimate question or seek info a great deal of it is housed below in compilation of links.

    A heads up to the forum noob, if your thread contains one of the following it has been Wardenized: derailed by page 2, contains cookys, mass quote, or other random forms of derailment. We call these Wadenisms, deal with it. (Missing R is intentional)

    Below are some examples of epic fail/derailment threads. You were forewarned.
    Completely Random Crazyness
    Cooky Reference
    "Turbine ripped out our Warden Hearts"; reference.

    Send me a PM if you have any threads you would like added to the list.
    Below I will try to edit this post with any big threads or links to any major posts of interest.

    Helpful Wikis
    Mastery Guide
    http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden
    http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden_Skills
    http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden_Traits
    http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden_Deeds

    Fun Warden Community Threads - Check these out for some good convo/laughs/ideas
    An Epic account of Warden
    Bogbereth FTW!!
    Woo! Warden ScreenShots
    Warden Tshirts! Come get em...
    A massive Pull Video, lil old, but still juicy *NEW* by request

    Current Bug/changes list - 4.7.12
    Consolidated Bug List *NEW*
    Recklessness Bug? *NEW*
    Cry out for possible changes *NEW*
    Broken Conviction *NEW*
    EoB is broken?...again? *NEW*

    Gambit Lists and Comparisons
    Amazing Break Down of GAMBITS *NEW*
    Updated Gambit Graph *NEW*
    Updated Gambit Overview *NEW*

    Tanking, Gasp I know
    THE MARCHWARDEN TANKING GUIDE!! READ IT!
    Threat Management and ToTs

    New Player Questions
    Masteries, what are they and how to get them?
    How to get Legendary Pages?
    Don't want to tank?...
    Another General Guide for New Players
    Tips for Leveling the Great Waden

    Tests

    Stats and Traits
    Updated Virtue Thread in Theory
    Skill and Power Trait
    Helpful Skirmish Traits *NEW*

    Weapons and Legendarys
    Legacy Guide for Starters
    New ROI Relics

    ROI
    Orion Blog on Potency, WHAT IS IT!!








    Last edited by LtDiablo; Apr 07 2012 at 12:26 PM. Reason: Updated

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    /bump. Agree this is a great reference for anyone old and new alike that wants some info. Thanks LtDiablo for pulling all this together for our community.

    Keep this at the top til we get a sticky please.
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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    Thank you I'll try to keep it updated with any new unanswered threads since theres a lot I still havent shifted through farther back in the pages.

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    Very nice! I'll do my prt for bumpage!
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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    It was your idea to separate the two threads

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    Awesome! Great job on the list so far.

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    a few more items could be added from my post Warden gambit printables, warden class printables
    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=241829

    two charts showing warden gambits

    the first has the gambits by level

    the second has the gambits needed for class deeds showing the amount needed total, and the daily limit if known then cross out the deeds as done...

    http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...ardentable.pdf

    http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...rden-deeds.pdf


    the next two charts show the buyable level 45 class quest items for all classes, and the next has items each class has to loot themselves including wardens and r-k's

    http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...lass-quest.pdf

    http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...ntradeable.pdf

    Gambits by effect and level:

    http://jaq.guildlaunch.com/guild/lib...-by-effect.pdf

    http://jaq.guildlaunch.com has more lotro references and printables


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    These next items are not my work but about wardens

    Council of Eriador'sThe Gambit Grid:
    http://www.council-of-eriador.com/WardenGambits.html

    !shmaiel's The Gambit Spreadsheet:
    http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/lotro/

    (love the tree of gambits concept, but want to play Go on it

    Faildir's Gambits by effect:
    http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Warde...rted_By_Effect

    Dalthyn's Gambit Chart
    http://www.bistromath.org/lotro/warden/gambits.pdf

    Fallenacorn's Gambits by icon:
    http://thefallenacorn.com/lotro/gambits.pdf
    spreadsheet: http://www.editgrid.com/user/fallenacorn/Warden_Gambits

    Strikefear's Level 28 gambit comparison sheet:
    http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...0qaKIq5CS9e0Ag

    AmonaugTruehammer's level 55 Gambit comparison sheet
    http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...3KblxNzfttl-Mg
    lvl 56 gambit compare http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3KYUry2bIkSaRQ
    lvl 57 gambit compare http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3KYbVNuZjRd0Mw
    lvl 60 Gambit Compare: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3KZcIJqeA4uhKA


    Banaticus threat chart: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66...345/threat.png
    Discussion thread: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=239365

    Burgzerg list of gambits
    http://www.burgzerg.com/page/2009/01/11/gambits

    Lotro Wiki Warden
    http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Warden

    From codemasters forum:
    Saurfenion's quick sheet http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2284/wardenv1ob1.png

    Eriathor's Gambit Guide:
    http://www.pixelbook.co.uk/upload/NbzaB7965.jpg

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    edit-> I fixed the links
    Last edited by hardsell; Mar 31 2009 at 06:40 PM.

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    Quote Originally Posted by LtDiablo View Post
    It was your idea to separate the two threads
    Yeah but I was too lazy to do it. Kudos for not being as lazy as me.

    *COUGHbumpCOUGH*
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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    Is there a link up that that discusses which traits are the best for which thingy? I know we've covered it a few times...

    EDIT - Here's a good one! http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=237156
    Last edited by dbrowdy; Jan 31 2009 at 10:05 PM.
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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    Great idea! Another thread I like is the Tautology of Taunts: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=239365

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    For some reason the links above for my comparison sheets doesn't work, here is a link that does with the added info

    This is an updated sheet with the added comparisons of the AoE's. Be aware the damage listed will be spread out over many targets roughly equal to what's listed on the line with 1 target. So if for instance War-Cry says 787 for the 10(10) line then each of the 10 targets will receive about 85 damage which is listed under the DoT on line 10(1).

    To explain the colors for the AoE lines, Orange indicates the single target max for each category (Direct Damage, Overall Damage, etc). Green indicates that it's less than the single target while red indicates it's higher than the single target. For example looking at total healing we see that for single target Restoration comes out on top with 333, Resolution doesn't beat that until 2 targets are in range with 358.6.

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...3KZcIJqeA4uhKA

    So the following conclusions can be made

    Direct Damage
    If below 50% Morale Dark Before the Dawn
    +50% Morale Warden's Triumph
    with 3+ targets Resolution comes out ahead but spread over multiple targets

    Overall Damage
    Mighty Blow for single target
    Goad needs 6 targets
    Fierce Resolve needs 5+ targets
    Resolution needs 4+ targets
    Exultation needs 2+ targets
    Desolation needs 2+ targets

    Healing
    Restoration for single target
    Fierce Resolve needs 3+ targets
    Resolution needs 2+ targets
    Exultation of Battle needs 2+ targets

    Damage/Power ratio
    Mighty Blow single target
    Goad needs 5+ targets
    War-Cry needs 8+ targets
    Fierce Resolve needs 5+ targets
    Resolution needs 5+ targets
    Exultation of Battle needs 3+ targets
    Desolation needs 2+ targets

    Heal/Power ratio
    Persevere for single target
    Fierce Resolve needs 3+ targets
    Resolution needs 3+ targets
    Exultation of Battle needs 2+ targets

    Best damage and power
    1 target Mighty Blow
    2-3 targets Desolation
    4+ Exultaion of Battle

    Best heal and power
    1 target Resoration
    2+ Exultation of Battle but that is pure HoT, if you need the morale NOW I'd go with Resolution especially with 3+ targets.
    Last edited by AmonaugTruehammer; Feb 01 2009 at 02:51 PM.

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    Quote Originally Posted by AmonaugTruehammer View Post
    For some reason the links above for my comparison sheets doesn't work, here is a link that does with the added info
    Didn't check your sheet yet, but from looking at your conclusions, I'd wager you left out Javelin of Deadly Force. It's one of our most damaging AOE skills and it's by far our most power efficient AOE. I'd recommend running the numbers and seeing if your numbers agree with mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbrowdy View Post
    Didn't check your sheet yet, but from looking at your conclusions, I'd wager you left out Javelin of Deadly Force. It's one of our most damaging AOE skills and it's by far our most power efficient AOE. I'd recommend running the numbers and seeing if your numbers agree with mine.
    Wasn't comparing SKILLS, but GAMBITS. And I have to say the original sheet and comparison wasn't done by me but by StrikeFear, I simply expanded upon it.

    Original thread
    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=242544
    Last edited by AmonaugTruehammer; Feb 01 2009 at 03:59 PM.

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    I don't know how useful this will be, but back in the day the Guardian forum had a thread proving that BPE was additive:

    http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=104472

    It'd be interesting to try something similar now with partial mitigation factored in. I might see about trying something in Excel with a few combat logs later on this week to get some data to start us off.

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    I forgot this site compresses links so when I copied and pasted my info from another thread they wouldnt work, but have edited and checked each link, they are working now

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    I agree, I'd really like to see this stickied.

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    Ghetto Sticky

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    Lol Ghetto Sticky? I wont question Tree I wont.... ok maybe I will ###?

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    Quote Originally Posted by LtDiablo View Post
    Lol Ghetto Sticky? I wont question Tree I wont.... ok maybe I will ###?

    Well...Since this thread isn't stickied, we have to keep bumping it to the top. If we keep it in the first few threads, its kinda like a sticky, but not really.


    so....Ghetto Sticky

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    bump, bump

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    I was looking for a thread like this for Wardens...thanks.

    Can we get this stickied?

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    Re-Added BurgZergs list under Gambit Lists and Comparisons

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    I was recently annoyed that we don't have anything "stickied" yet for Wardens. I mean c'mon, the RK's already have a couple. I was looking for one uber-resource like this and had trouble locating.

    So...pardon my ignorance but how do we "make it so". Seems like I have seen dialog before on obtaining stickyhood. I never learned it because what I needed was already in that elite club. I'll vote, bribe the commish, call my local senator...whatever! Just tell me.

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    Your guess is as good as mine

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    Re: Helpful Links & Threads STOP HERE FIRST -Sticky!

    /bump again, Sticky requested
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