I think you've been hiding Bird...
When all his feathers be from him gone
He standeth still here as a stone
I think the Watcher and Durin's bane had no allegiance to anyone after Morgoth's fall (it is questionable whether the watcher ever had allegiance to anyone). If we compare the powers of Durin's bane and Sauron we know both were initially maiar. As Morgoth's lieutenants I would rank Gothmog and Sauron very close to each other. It is reasonable to believe that Durin's bane was significantly weaker than Gothmog and thus weaker than Sauron. With the Ring it could probably have challenged Sauron, but we do not know if it would have desired to do so. The ring corrupts, yes, but the balrog is already corrupt and I think the ring has to latch onto some sort of initial desire. So what does the Durin's bane wish? I sure have no idea.
I agree with you on the significance on the fact that Frodo fails. Mostly I see it as a mark of Tolkien's literary genius and can't really agree on your theory on the ring causing its own destruction. I can certainly see where you're coming from, but I believe that Gandalf hints strongly on something like fate playing its part. It is also stated that the ring has a will on its own. It prevents Isildur from destroying it by using his grief against him: Isildur wants to keep it as a heirloom, reminder that he avenged his father. It also tries to get back to its master. The ring's corruptive nature certainly proves to be its undoing but saying that it destroys itself sounds to me rather far fetched.
As to Frodo's powers, it is questionable whether he could have ever used any greater power from the ring without perishing. Even if he could have, he could never have become a powerful entity himself. He could have been horrible to behold with the ring certainly, but even with it he could not have contributed the powers the ring possessed. Thus he couldn't have exceeded the level of power Sauron poured to the ring. If it would have been taken from him then he would have probably been a little more than a shadow. This would require him actively seeking to use the ring. Gollums possessed the thing for a long time, thought wore it little, and then it only gave him invisibility. It gave him no additional powers even when he wore it (though it did give him an unnaturally long life) for he did not really seek to use it.
I was just further explaining this so those who did not understand why he didn't seek to use it know.
I don't know a lot about Balrogs, but from what I have read, they kind of sound like they'd be slightly smarter trolls plus tons of flame. I never imagined them wise enough to be able to do anything with the ring should they get it. I thought that if they would have caught and killed Frodo in Moria, that they would have just stomped on him and kept chasing whoever else was alive without even thinking about the ring. Of course thats just me. Is there a book or something that I missed that delves more deeply into the nature of the Belrogs?
There is quite a bit written about Balrogs in the Silmarillion and also in the appendices of the Lord of the Rings I think from memory. Probably your best bet if you're just looking for a little background material on them is to just google "balrog", that should be enough to get you started.
I'd say that's a pretty big part of history.
I think is clear that both Balrogs and Dragons have a tendency for lazyness. Balrogs might be stuborn enough to not listen to even Sauron they are "Individualistic lazy entities of evil" thats my take.
Dragons are the same way, the difference is that dragons are not sleep walkers, they are alert at moments possibly that is why they dislike Orcs they would make noise all the time making the lazy dragon always alert, so no orcs no sound, sleeping lazy dragon
Exactly, the thing wasn't just "In charge" it probably been there before goblins and dwarves came.
Not the last of them, just the last in Middle-earth. There were said to be more of these great dragons in the Northern Wastes (which is where Smaug came from before he descended on Erebor, he had presumably been hiding up north since narrowly escaping death in the War of Wrath).
The Balrog woke up because Mrs. B cracked him over the head with a cast-iron skillet: the furnace wasn't working, the plumbing was shot, there was a draught coming in from the west gate, and vermin were running all over the place; putting on his hat, he complained that she never cleaned up the place.
Yes, Balrogs are that lazy.
Balrogs are created by Morgoth the first and most powerful dark lord. They answer to him only. Since he is "dead" or better said - Casted to Void by Valar.
There are wo speculations.
Ring doesn't have any effect.
1.Did you ever wonder one ring would even affect Balrogs - demons of the ancient world? Maybe ring wouldn't mean anything at all to them. They already possses immense destructive power, creatures without fear.mercy or reluctance. They are bringers of doom literally,
Since they are created by Morgorth and Sauron was just his servant, there is possibility ring would not have any power over them.
Balrogs are different. They where 2nd most powerful Evil creatures in Middle-Earth , only to be surpassed by Dragons.
F Example if Smaug took one ring - I think he would see it as his "precious" only as Smeagol once said. But only as treasure.
2. Ring does have effect , but only thanks to the will of Morgoth which still has power.
Dont forget Morgoth is actually an Evil himself, a cause for all suffering,death and destruction. Despite the fact he is in the Void , he can still influence those beings created by him, especially Balorgs.
So if Balrog got the ring, maybe his will would command him to try consume everything or help aid Sauron? It would something terrible to behold. I fear that combined forces of Galadriel,Elrond and Gandalf wouldn't be enough to stop it.
Anyway, those are just speculations, We'll never know...
OK, just throwing this out there, if the ring has a mind of its own and in a sense, a great deal of Sauron in it, could it not control weak minded creatures. I mean, in a sense, everyone who came in contact with the ring was controlled by it, Frodo was continually battling with an overwhelming power that was trying to force him to put it on and reveal himself. If the ring were to be worn by a servant of Morgoth or Sauron, say, a servant that was created by Morgoth and not a "mixed breed" such as the goblins and orcs, could that being not be controlled by the ring itself? Again, just throwing the question out there as my knowledge of Balrogs is limited.
Why think that at all? We know that the Ring would work just fine for another Maia - Gandalf could have taken it if he'd wanted to, and Saruman of course wanted it for himself. The catch was that if they had done, they'd have ended up being just like Sauron, which was why Gandalf said he didn't dare have anything to do with it. As the Balrogs were Maiar and already extremely evil, it seems sensible to imagine that the Ring would have served one of them just fine as well. The only thing it wouldn't have done would have been to render them invisible when they wore it. And yes, a Balrog with the Ring would by implication have been pretty much unstoppable, because it'd have had its own considerable power plus most of that of Sauron.Quote:
Ring doesn't have any effect.
As for the will of Morgoth - no, it didn't really work like that. Because Morgoth had been cast out of the world into the Void, he was outside time and so his will could no longer affect Middle-earth. However, an impersonal evil that had come from him was still around because before he'd been cast out, he'd expended most of his power to extend a subtle, evil influence over the whole world, so that it couldn't be removed by any means short of destroying everything.