On a more serious note.... I think the real issue here is whether or not you as a captain should dictate how other classes should play. While I know captaining stuff pretty well - granted there's always room to improve on what I know and my captaining ability - I don't know the other classes very well, if at all.
When you are giving someone an unwanted Focus buff in combat, what that's really saying is that you know their class better than the player knows their class - and that's a pretty arrogant statement to make, if not detrimental to the team performance. That's the real issue here that Jeremi isn't getting. It's not that Focus may/may not be good for the other class, it's that you have no right to impact them that significantly without their permission.
Now, back to the inanity at hand...
These captain forums are just funny to me. I was hoping they had changed, but they haven't and probably never will. The other class forums are not like this - and I would caution you from taking everything that is said on these forums as if they are etched in stone. They aren't, and a very narrow point of view is often presented in these posts that do no accurately reflect reality. There is a core group on this class forum that just assumes everyone plays exactly like them, or should play exactly like them - and if you don't you are an idiot. That's basically how it is here (know that I'm not talking about you in that reference. I'm just warning you about this specific class forum when coming here for advice).
As far as situations in the past I have found it useful I've already gone over them, so no need to repeat myself about that. Let's just say anytime you find yourself in a situation where power is becoming a problem, Focus can help with that. That is basically all I was saying.
And I've only done this a couple of times - when it was NEEDED - so I wish people would understand I do not "force" focus on so many ministrels I play with. I never said that or meant to imply it, and my posts are being exaggerated somewhat.
So now you are a claiming "I think I know everything" and have no knowledge because I have used Focus on a ministrel before in the past when they kept running out of power. This just keeps getting better and better....
I'll never understand why me using the Focus buff causes such personal animosity. So weird. You guys really need to learn how to disagree with people without feeling the need to attack them over it. It's silly. But anyway, I will be adding you to my list as well - since you choose to engage in this kind of personal ridicule about those with whom you disagree. Maybe after I weed out all of you types who have to insult people who disagree with you I can actually come on the captain forums without feeling I'm in grade school again.
For my part, my issue isn't with your opinion... its your constant desire to respond to every post, correct people that don't agree, and then assign yourself the victim role when everyone doesn't admit that you "won the thread". You have an opinon that fits in the minority and you aren't going to EVER convince anyone to change their opinon on this issue. You will not make friends by campaigning over this issue endlessly like you are being mistreated simply because people disagree with you.
Anyways... it will be nice to no longer have you on my radar. Peace ^^
I agree Captains have better tools available to them to give back power than Focus though. Song Brother and Now for Wrath are both incredible power abilities that are vastly superior to Focus. So maybe it will help to hear me say that.
I have been in situations though where using Focus and Victory banner have been enough to make the difference in a person running out of power and a person not running out of power. So I remain of the opinion Focus can be useful, though I use it less and less these days as well. I still think when compared to our other tactical buffs however, it's respectable and not a bad buff. This whole 'mark of shame" thing is silly and unwarranted in my opinion.
I was using NfW, but that wasn't enough. We wiped twice before winning. The first time we wiped was because the ministrel was not able to keep the tank alive. Shield Brother and strategic use of Shield of the Dunedain fixed that issue, but then the ministrel in my group kept running out of power during the last two phases, and we wiped a second time due to that. We had no loremaster in my group. I then put Focus on the ministrel along with Victory Banner and we won on our third attempt. The ministrel thanked me afterwards for my help, and told me he was glad I gave him Focus instead of Critical Rating. I hope that is enough details about the situation I was describing ^^
Again, it's rare that Focus can make a real difference. I have admitted that. But I have seen it happen, and it does provide a healthy chunk of ICPR for those who may need it, at least in my opinion that is.
Yes, those that refuse to see that focus has any value are wrong. But they are closer to right than anyone arguing that overall focus is decent.
However, the competition just blows by it so badly it's not even funny. Focus would need to have triple the ICPR before most of us would ever consider using it =/
When looking at Blade and Song Bro, they completely smoke Focus for regeneration.
And then we have LMs......
I'd even consider dropping Victory Banner if the group needs power LONG before I'd ever use Focus.
There's just so many other options that are just infinitely better that it doesn't make sense to go with Focus =/
...just want to be part of this epic thread!
made it half way through and am in tears!
i feel like i should savor (sorry, savour, for you tokein fans) it and not read it all at once.
i missed you guys!
Basically I agree with the first part of it. Captains do have a lot better ways to restore power - but they require specific abilities, traits, and circumstances - where as the Focus buff is just an easy 400 icpr you can slap on someone to help out.
In the current environment though, where so many instances are almost comically easy, defeat response are a dime a dozen - and the extra healing from Shield Brother isn't really needed, I'll concede Focus has lost a lot of it's usefulness. But I still believe the buff itself is pretty good, and all things being equal - it does compare well with our other tactical buffs in my view. It just doesn't stand out well in a face-roll environment. Back when the content was more difficult though, I did use this buff more often and it did help.
Also, does agreeing with the first part mean you think crit buff is more powerful than power buff then?
If you think crit is better than focus in all but a very few cases, I don't see a problem with that at all.
I don't really agree that the crit buff is more powerful than the ICPR buff per say. I just think it's more ideal in the current state of the game, if that makes any sense. This game has become a lot easier lately, so power is just less of a concern than it used to be - since things die so much faster and hit so much softer. But I still think Focus is a worthy buff, and I do still use it when power is an issue, though those are rarer and rarer these days I'll admit.