Originally Posted by borges_maze
Honestly. It's the game that has crushed the quality of PvMP. It has affected Freeps as well as Creeps.
You comment on how in the past creeps were able to leave grams and do damage. Creeps would leave grams in groups to flip keeps and defend what they take, giving the chance for creeps to map over and defend before Freeps showed up.
Also creeps if they knew how to target and apply their class better than Freepside raids, they could cause serious damage.
So why doesn't this apply any longer? For starters, hit points are so high that it requires a perfect coordinated effort to bring down a target before healers can notice. The buffer zone for catching someone being targeted is way higher than in the past, forcing raids to perfect their targeting to beat the extra buffer zone. This whole target forwarding being an absolute requirement NOW has seriously crushed the quality of raiding. Gone are the days where champions would time their aoe attacks and stuns on congested areas of creep melee, hunters combining ranged target assist to drop down ranged targets, minstrels monitoring their fellowship and not easily protecting entire raids. lore masters monitoring their debuffs and wounds on their fellowship. Guardians actually being able to protect players without melting. Raids have to sacrifice the qualities of classes for focused dps to break the hit point healing buffer zone or raids die.
Also the lag as I posted earlier is the great equalizer. How can raids function at an advanced level when the frame rate is forced to 4 fps down your throat, with skills locking up when you need to time your attacks to get the most bang for your buck. All these overtime heals and damage skills given to both sides are crushing server communication. We use to have fun trying to get 3 to 4 rows of debuffs on tyrants. Now there are so many debuffs and heals the game stops reporting over 8+ rows to save lag.
But wait, creeps or Freeps can roam the map when there is a raid out. Not the case anymore. Combat tactics involving positioning inside a keep? gone with the backdoor. Being able to bottleneck raids in keeps is gone. Remember elevator rezzing? When odds were against the defending team, defenders arriving to the keep would die at the front door to get rezzed in the cg/tyrant room to help defend the keep. That's why TA wasn't a favorite for this style, it had an open circle second floor. Great for flanking. Plus creeps would always drop the hornblower on Freepside and it could get real ugly real fast.
But all the small group combat tactics are gone now thanks to the npcs being irrelevant now. In the past the defending team didn't have to focus fire to win, they had to position properly and monitor how many npcs the attacking team has aggroed. If you were able to make the attacking team over aggro npcs, you then pushed out and cripple the attacking team before they realized their mistake, likewise for attackers, they had to monitor their aggro as well as their position, quests that had been completed for the keep, I.E. Oil, hornblower, Murder holes, NPC reinforcements, and for TA, LC and Isen influencing NPC support for TA.
Now the auto flipping makes defending positions horrible, worse than a needless keep ninja. And speaking of keep ninjas, the change to taking out the entire room discourages small groups getting a upper hand in the moors once again.
Now we have these outposts which encourage PvE, and the delving with encourages more PvE. Objects in the moors that forces players to leave the battlefield for buffs is the worst decision a developer can make to encourage PvP if its not truly defendable.
So honestly, I don't blame creeps for holding at grams, its their only defense at this time in moors, and the game forces an organized raid to survive against high enemy numbers. I don't blame Freeps because its dead out in the moors, nothing to play with.
Tactics are being gutted out of the moors. We only have the developers to blame. Not Creepside or Freepside.
Last edited by mike3433; Mar 09 2014 at 05:09 AM.
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been in moors too long... Jimmycake
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