"My ancestor was a burned dwarf."
"My ancestor was a burned dwarf."
Excellent job Vilnas. That's the one.
Ok, I'm making the next one as intentionally difficult as I can manage. It requires a difficult logical connection and represents a departure from the usual way in which we have been presenting clues (although I believe it can be viewed as an extension of a recent trend):
Hurin as last lord of Dor-lomin and figuratively oublietted in Angband?
A good guess, but incorrect.
My best guess would be Finrod Felagund, imprisoned with Beren and companions by Sauron.
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Il sérarwa nar il tulca.
Also a good guess, and also incorrect. Allow me to emphasize that the clue works in a different way than our normal usage.
Alright, as my way out there guess - Nienor. Here's why:
Oublietted meaning little place of forgetting. Her memory was definitely gone.
Royal = "blue" = sad. Both Nienor and Niniel have a component of sad in their name (I believe "tear" in specific, one in Quenya, one in Sindarin)
A very thoughtful response, but also incorrect. The clues have literal meaning, but the application is unorthodox.
I have a question: is "oublietted" used in the sense that they were literally locked up, or were they just forgotten about?
In this case locked up plus forgotten by almost everyone, although forgotten isn't exactly right.
Also, this clue is presented in a way that is more akin to the Odin's time clue than to our usual way of riddling.
I don't post much, but I couldn't resist hazarding a guess...
The Silmarils, lost to Earth and Sea, at the end of the First Age?
Reasoning: Both are "locked away" and, for the time being, "forgotton" by the time of the Lord of the Rings. They were also created by Feanor, born to King Finwe and King in his own right eventually, and thus royally "issued". They're also highly prized by the royals of Ea during the first age (Thingol, Melkor, etc.. Even you might say Manwe, but his purpose being benign in his desire to bring about the rebirth of the Two Trees).
Also, the "Royal" has a possible double entendre in that a "royal" is a special mast of a ship, thus possibly referring to Earendil the Mariner and the Silmaril in his possession.
Yet another excellent guess. In this riddle oublietted means imprisoned and "forgotten", and royal means a person of royal lineage.
The answer to this riddle involves a two step process, and the second is fairly straightforward. The cruel trick is in the initial application of the clues.
Last edited by Vilnas; Jan 12 2011 at 02:24 PM.
I had this one half in mind when I wrote the other...
Thorin Oakenshield. He was a king and he was imprisoned briefly by the Elves of Mirkwood. His name was forgotten in delirium by his father, Thrain, when he gave the map to the secret entrance to the Lonely Mountain to Gandalf.
Edit: I'm a bit confused at the moment as to whether Thrain forgot his own name or his son's. So, could be him or Thrain, in this case, as both were imprisoned, royal and one way or the other forgotten. Sorry for the double answer. Memory is cloudy on this part and I've not my book at hand!
Last edited by kethavel; Jan 12 2011 at 02:41 PM.
Ar-Pharazon the Golden, imprisoned in the Caves of the Forgotten until the Dagor Dagorath?
Sheesh. Another great alternative answer.
Ok, for the "official" answer you need to take a different approach to the question, similar to what was required for the "Odin's time" riddle. As I said, it is a two step process.
For now, I will say that the official answer is not in fact a person that has been locked up and forgotten, even though that is what the clue initially points to. The correct answer will hopefully become fairly obvious once you realize what the first step in the clue is talking about.
I will be more clear about the process later today if that isn't a strong enough hint.
Don't know if this is the answer or not, but I find the line of thought amusing so, I thought I'd post it anyways.
The Elendilmir, or The Star of Elendil.
It was a royal device of the Kings of Gondor and Arnor until it was lost in the Anduin, which was then found and locked away by Saruman in the Tower of Orthanc. For a time you could say it was "forgotten" as it was replaced, and thus not much thought went into the original's fate.
The forgotten (from the view point from Sauron?), or locked away (referring to his hiding in Rivendell) royal in this case would be Aragorn, who re-discovered the Elendilmir in the tower sometime after his crowning as King Elessar.
Wow. I hope the original Elendilmir is the answer because that is a truly phenomenal answer. I love the way these riddles have been going as of late.
As my own similar guess, I will throw out Glamdring. Sword of Turgon, lost in Gondolin, eventually oublietted and forgotten amongst the spoils of uncouth stone trolls.
Last edited by darkoutcast; Jan 12 2011 at 10:19 PM. Reason: added my second guess
Sadly, the Elendilmir is not the answer, as impressive a guess as it may be. Nor is Glamdring.
Now for the stronger hint. The riddle is two stages, and the first stage involves a non-JRRT lore interpretation of the original clue. The resulting second clue points directly to a specific JRRT lore reference. The riddle is thus designed along the lines of the "Odin's time" => "Wednesday" => "tea-time with Gandalf" riddle. My apologies if this format is overly complicated.
It's quite alright. I just haven't had any idea what to throw out even as a lame guess along those lines and have thus avoided them. The answer shall be pursued with renewed vigor, regardless.
I'm not sure if you still intend for the clue to be pressed upon the final answer, but with the idea that it's only meant for the first step, then my next guess at the answer would be:
Obliquetted Royal = Odin, who along with two other Norse 'gods' in mythology was once imprisoned by an evil wizard for having killed his son, and is now forgotten as a god. Odin of the three was considered the ruler of the Asgard, thus royal?..
And of course, Gandalf is described by Tolkien as a Odinic wanderer.
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