is precisely what Radhruin said, and precisely what WBS contested; I clarified that Radhruin had never intended to suggest that these fire-spirits were not maiar (already strongly implied, of course, since Radhruin named Arien, who is a "named maia" from narrative).Zitat von Radhruin
So, what's your problem; have all the nearby bridges been demolished; are other trolls suffering from the "sun-burn"?
Thanks for the clarification on that, guys.
I wasn't really contesting it as such (I don't know the lore well enough to do so in such mighty company), I was just confused by it and seeking explanation as in my limited knowledge it seemed to imply they weren't because I didn't realise there could be these different types.
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whats with agression harper? I made a mistake Im human afterall not a troll.
You really need to chill out
Geändert von YamydeAragon (16.10.2013 um 21:03 Uhr)
About the Balrog...they are Maiar in a beastly form. Intelligent and EXTREMELY formidable. The "form" may have been devised by Morgoth.
With the Ring? Who knows. Could it even fit on one of their fingers? We'll never know.
The "beastly form" seems to have affected their intelligence. So I am not sure they would have been effective as overlords. At least that's the impression I was left with after reading the Silmarillion.
A good thought experiment anyway.
"Just like Mary Shelly, Just like Frankenstein, Break your chains, And count your change, And try to walk the line"
[I]In the sea without lees standeth the Bird of Hermes.
[/I][I]When all his feathers be from him gone, He standeth still here as a stone.
Here is now both white and red, And all so the stone to quicken the dead[/I][I].
The Bird of Hermes is my name, Eating my wings to make me tame.[/I]
If we are seeking a "settled opinion", this idea seems to me to be the most-highly-endorsed candidate.
Bear it in mind that Sauron with his ring was unable to best Celebrimbor at the gates of Eregion and had to get his orc minions to grapple him into submission "Hurin style", indicating that a maiar with the one ring wasnt as powerful as you may want to think. Possibly thats a reflection on Sauron who seems to prefer others to do his fighting for him, be it werewolves vs Finrod or Nazgul and often runs away or submits and ends chained up, it occurs to me that theres an aweful lot of Loki in Sauron, which is something you dont see often discussed. Saurons cowardly nature comming out in the wearers of the ring, ie Gollum and whatever Bilbo was being slowly transformed into might suggest that a Balrog with the ring might be closer to Gollum on steroids, striking from behind and strangling rather than that of a mighty warrior demon casting down mountains that posters here have predicted. Isildur was brave fighting Sauron without the ring but against a company of orcs he tried to flee into the shadows to escape them so it would suggest that even those who were mighty be they human or Balrogs are not neccessarily made mightier by possession of the ring (yes I accept that Isildur hand not "mastered" the ring fully at the Gladden fields). Boromir mistakenly believed that the ring would aid him in the fight against the dark tower but Boromir never possessed the ring, but still aquitted himself well against Sarumans orcs, clearly whatever the ring whispered to Isildur during his possession of it it did not inspire confidence in him to do what Boromir achieved without a ring.
Geändert von Morthaur (19.11.2013 um 23:54 Uhr)
"Of course I am the only elf in the village"
To get back on topic, yes maybe there is something in the idea that Sauron's cowardice/devious nature influences ring bearers. But it probably only influences weaker people who can't dominate the ring, not the "big personalities" like Gandalf and the balrog. My guess is that a be-ringed balrog would be similar to the general consensus in this thread. Bigger and badder...
... but would a ring-bearer balrog have WINGS? (And with that comment, the entire Tolkien sub-forum hates me after my first post).
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