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  1. #301
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    Anglo-Saxon influence? Of course

    Do not forget that Tolkien was deep in the lore of Anglo-Saxons and of the Norse. He was a leading authority on old English in his day, and his works can still be found in the footnotes of articles on the subject written by modern scholars. It would be surprising, almost lore breaking, if there were not heavy Anglo-Saxon influence in all of this.

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    My last post:
    If only this were true, sigh
    “If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.”
    - Will Rogers

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    Zitat Zitat von Al. Beitrag anzeigen
    My last post:
    Honest and for true? Don't tease us now...
    Today is a good day for Pie.

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    Zitat Zitat von Al. Beitrag anzeigen
    This is what you dont have in:

    http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Arnor
    So... I'm right? It says Arnor is different than Gondor, and that Bree was part of Arnor... (Did you even read that page?)
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    Zitat Zitat von robbie1435 Beitrag anzeigen
    Bree was built by the Kingdom of Arnor, which has long since fallen. Bree has no ties with Gondor, AFAIK.
    Actually, my understanding is that Bree was not built by the Arnorians either. I will try and find the source if I can - it is never where I remember it being when I try to look it up again - but there are one or two brief paragraphs in the text where Tolkien describes the Breelanders as having been the descendants of men akin to the Edain who did not cross over into Beleriand. As I recall, he went on to say that the Barrow Downs were semi-revered by the Numenorean exiles as being a part of their ancient pre-history.
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    Actually, my understanding is that Bree was not built by the Arnorians either. I will try and find the source if I can - it is never where I remember it being when I try to look it up again - but there are one or two brief paragraphs in the text where Tolkien describes the Breelanders as having been the descendants of men akin to the Edain who did not cross over into Beleriand.
    The Bree-folk were said to be from the same stock as the Dunlendings, having originally come from the White Mountains, and there was a settlement at Bree before Arnor was established. I imagine it starting off as a hill-fort.

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    If you consider Middle-Earth as Europe, but we know Rome wasn't in Europe
    Please, someone tell me this is a joke, please.
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    Zitat Zitat von Al. Beitrag anzeigen
    but we know Rome wasn't in Europe
    Wow, I stopped taking this discussion seriously a while ago, but I did not expect this. You sir, have no right calling Rad insane, if you say that Rome is not in Europe.
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    If we are going to be finical about it, the Roman empire for a long time also was expanded wide outside of Europe.
    Some of the negatives of poor grammar a.s.o.
    But i don't know.. It could be that what he wrote was what he meant
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    If we are going to be finical about it, the Roman empire for a long time also was expanded wide outside of Europe.
    Some of the negatives of poor grammar a.s.o.
    But i don't know.. It could be that what he wrote was what he meant

    I think you're getting to the heart of Al's problem here.
    I'm pretty sure he knows full well that the city of Rome is in Europe, I may be wrong but I believe he comes from that continent.
    As you say here he probably meant the Roman Empire, and poor grammar was probably more to blame than poor geography.

    The real problem though is his arrogance, he has a great deal of trouble getting his message across (understandable given that English is not his native language), I think this frustrates him somewhat and his first reaction is to strike out at anyone who either disagrees with him or simply doesn't understand him.

    I once asked him what language he read the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit in, he never answered me, but I suspect he either read an English language version and translated it himself, or read a version in his own language (probably poorly translated).
    This would largely explain some of the totally outrageous claims he sometimes makes about what Tolkien was telling us, he seems to be getting a totally different message than the rest of us.

    Just my opinion of course.
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    I may be wrong but I believe he comes from that continent.
    Some of us have yet to be convinced he even comes from this planet

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    Some of us have yet to be convinced he even comes from this planet
    Haha, brilliant :0
    “If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.”
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    but we know Rome wasn't in Europe,
    Just when I thought things couldn't get any more wrong.
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    Question

    Zitat Zitat von Al. Beitrag anzeigen
    but we know Rome wasn't in Europe
    Do we? OK, if you say so.
    Please read the post overhead and understand it fully before responding with overwhelming negativity to opinions you have no personal interest in, but still want to complain about. Don't troll the feeders. Great, you acknowledge the need to apologize, but I don't see an actual apology anywhere. Are you a politician by any chance? - xandervix_tog.

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    Figured some more art was a necessity, as we are deep into Gondor now .

    Gandalf and Pippin Riding into Minas Tirith - Author: John Howe


    Ruined Osgiliath - Author: DaRoz of Deviantart
    Geändert von robbie1435 (13.06.2015 um 11:53 Uhr)
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    Figured some more art was a necessity, as we are deep into Gondor now .

    Gandalf and Pippin Riding intro Minas Tirith - Author Unlisted


    Ruined Osgiliath - Author: DaRoz of Deviantart

    The first image was by John Howe, I've never seen that painting of Osgiliath before though, very nice
    “If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.”
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    The first image was by John Howe, I've never seen that painting of Osgiliath before though, very nice
    Thanks, I'll list the author above. The link I found didn't actually show the author.

    The painting of Osgiliath was done by someone on Deviantart, so they're not very common to see any place else.
    Glorgnorbor, A Rock And A Hard Place, Stop by our Friday music shows! 4PM EST at the Bree West Gate on Dwarrowdelf!
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